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You will have to email the moderators so no one else can see what you are saying. That way it is easier and reduces the risk of offending the thread starteremoticon

I wonder how long before this whole thread get's deleted ?????? emoticon
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I asked if the books were in Braille.
Meaning that Kitty is ugly and the students must be blind to ask her out.
How bad is that comment then ? hee hee hee



As a registered blind person, I find the above utterly offensive as a matter of fact.
And, for your information, moast blind people these days usually can't read braille as local councils can't afford to teach them. For myelf, I had only three one-hour braille lessons when I went blind and that was it. That's more than most... less than 10% of blind people read braile.

It still amazes me how everyone gets up in arms and screams blue murder about race, gender and sexuality while anyone can say anything about disabled people and usually get away with it. And, like most disabled people, it happens so often I let it pass because if I got angry every time something offended me I'd never be calm.

FYI, Jaymod, life's pretty !@#$ when you're blind and causes lots of problems. Just ask Clanger, Misery, Simpa, Blocky and many others who have had to 'take me to the toilet' at gigs 'cos I can't go on my own. They're the heroes in all this, because they don't gtive a !@#$ about follownig another bloke to the bog. Many others would.
Then ask how many gigs I miss because I can't see to get there and ask me how long it has been since I owned a scooter I could ride, let-alone a car - Christ, I need help catching a bus! And that's just the mod problems, don't get me started on real life...

It seems, though, that you needed help with your question, and I'm in a position to answer it. Speaking as a blind person, I think that Kitty is a bit of a babe and I've said as much on these forums before.
More specifically, with regards to blind people going out with mnigers, which you imply, just take a look at my wife the next time we meet. I'm sure that everyone here who has met her would agree that she's no minger and I resent the implication that she is.

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Kitty says "I was in the library today and a load of spotty kids were asking me out" I reply "were the books in braille"
Kitty says "what do you mean"
I say " well they must be blind to ask you out.

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I would glass you.

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I can understand why you would get angry at this Mark - not being in your position I can only attempt to empathise with you - however in Jaymods defense (and my own as I have been complicite in this whole censorship issue) I don't think that Jaymod meant anything deregatory to blind people at all - it was a blatant stab at Kittys looks which, I assume, was meant in jest. I took it to mean that as the blind students couldn't see her, they couldn't find her physically attractive hence the allusion that she was unattractive. I see that as a slur against kitty and not the blind. Apart from the few photos that occasionally make their way onto here -I have no idea what any of you look like in real life but I doubt very much that kitty is a 'minger'. Mystery and his moderators do a good job but it's not going to be a fun place to visit if it gets carried away on a wave of political correctness. No offence meant to anyone - just my opinion.

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I understand it's an emotive subject, and Mark I cant possibly understand what the reality of being blind is like, but glassing someone is a lot more offensive than admittedly rather dark humour. Someone as eloquent and well educated as yourself must surely understand that Jay meant no real offense to blind people or Kitty, but that doesn't mean what was said wasn't offensive.
Surely to god people on here dont think that from Jay's comments he is repulsed by and dislikes Kitty? Or that he believes that all blind people only marry mingers?? This isn't a witch hunt against blind people or disabled people, just an off-hand and perhaps tasteless remark that has clearly touched a raw nerve taken out of context? Did someone complain about it? Did a moderator take it upon themselves to censor it? What has happened to people's sense of humours here lately?

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Thanks DRS & MarkG
That is what I would have liked to have written if only I was intelligent enough.

The post was made and aimed at Kitty as a joke.

Mark I in no way thought that this would offend you. I thought you had a sense of humour fella. I have also seen a pic of your Mrs and yes I agree she is no minger.
I can understand the plight of blind people dont get me wrong Mark but fcuk me isn't your reaction a bit extreme. I mean if I had made a joke about Blind people directly I could understand.

As for the glassing someone well Violence is not big or clever and a lot more serious than an off the cuff joke remark.







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How can you honestly sugest that Jaymod didn't mean anything derogatory about blind people when the entire 'joke' was that the blind person cannot see and would gladly date someone who 'normal' people wouldn't? The entire 'joke' rests on the axis that only a blind person and, thus, a secnod class citizen, would go out with Kitty [sic] because she is unatractive. So, blind people get everythnig you guys don't want and that's the gag, right?
The only reason why it wasn't meant to be offensive is because no blind people were meant to be around to read it and we were all meant to be 'normal' and, thus, 'in' on the gag. I'm very sorry to diapoint...

Can you guess how many times a week I get comments from complete stangers along the lnies of 'Shouldn've gone to Specsavers?' because I dared to read a book on the tube with my nose almost touching the page. Too bloody many... Do you know how many times I'll ask what beer a pub serves and the barman replies: "What? Are you blind or somethnig?" while pointing to the pumps.
Whenever this happens and I confront the person about it none of them ever meant it offensively, of course, which begs the question why did they bloody-well say it in the first place?
Bottom lnie - benig blind is not funny. It's not longr col to say all blacks steal cars. It's no longer cool to say all homosexuials are child abusers, so why is it cool for people to come out with anti-disabled sh1t like that about blind people? There is no rason.
In truth, I'm so used to that kind of coment that I didn't get angry reading it, but defending it as 'alright' and 'not meant to offend' makes me see red as the fact that people think they can get away with mocknig the most horific part of my life as an offense-free joke really is appaulnig...

To sum up: Make black jokes if yu want, but that makes you racist. Make sexist jokes if you want, but that makes you sexist. Even make disability jokes, but that makes you a eugenicist and a synonym for that is a Nazi. So, go ahead and make the joke, but carry the label that that joke implies with you. I'll wait for you at the gas chambers...


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Mark I do know you are blind and I did know you would tread this. I never thought you would have taken this so badly.




FCUK IT.

JUST DONT MAKE JOKES EVERYONE HERE IS TOO FCUKING SENSITIVE.


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How can you honestly sugest that Jaymod didn't mean anything derogatory about blind people when the entire 'joke' was that the blind person cannot see and would gladly date someone who 'normal' people wouldn't? The entire 'joke' rests on the axis that only a blind person and, thus, a secnod class citizen, would go out with Kitty [sic] because she is unatractive. So, blind people get everythnig you guys don't want and that's the gag, right?


Sorry mate but that is all wrong - it may be that we are standing at totally different viewpoints on this but I don't perceive it the same way. It in noway implies that any blind person is a second class citizen or that they would gladly go out with someone 'because' she is unattractive. A blind person may have a relationship with someone that some well-sighted people may not find attractive but that is 'despite' their unattractiveness and not 'because' of it. The axis of the joke IS that a blind person cannot see the person that is supposed to be unattractive, that is simply a fact and not a slur on anyones disability. It doesn't assume that blind people will automatically go for mingers - they are blind - how do they know they are mingers. It simply implies that blind people are unlikely to base attraction solely on physically appearance, like most well sighted people do. It implies that the blind person is attracted to this person regardless of their looks. This, surely, makes it a dig at the attractiveness of the person being admired.
Markg mentioned something about a witch-hunt but to be honest I don't think that if there is a witch-hunt going on here it's directed at blind people or ugly people - more likely the witch-hunt is going on behind the scenes with PM's and emails and is directed at people that the hunters obviously have a problem with.

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How can you honestly sugest that Jaymod didn't mean anything derogatory about blind people when the entire 'joke' was that the blind person cannot see and would gladly date someone who 'normal' people wouldn't? The entire 'joke' rests on the axis that only a blind person and, thus, a secnod class citizen, would go out with Kitty [sic] because she is unatractive. So, blind people get everythnig you guys don't want and that's the gag, right?
The only reason why it wasn't meant to be offensive is because no blind people were meant to be around to read it and we were all meant to be 'normal' and, thus, 'in' on the gag. I'm very sorry to diapoint...

Can you guess how many times a week I get comments from complete stangers along the lnies of 'Shouldn've gone to Specsavers?' because I dared to read a book on the tube with my nose almost touching the page. Too bloody many... Do you know how many times I'll ask what beer a pub serves and the barman replies: "What? Are you blind or somethnig?" while pointing to the pumps.
Whenever this happens and I confront the person about it none of them ever meant it offensively, of course, which begs the question why did they bloody-well say it in the first place?
Bottom lnie - benig blind is not funny. It's not longr col to say all blacks steal cars. It's no longer cool to say all homosexuials are child abusers, so why is it cool for people to come out with anti-disabled sh1t like that about blind people? There is no rason.
In truth, I'm so used to that kind of coment that I didn't get angry reading it, but defending it as 'alright' and 'not meant to offend' makes me see red as the fact that people think they can get away with mocknig the most horific part of my life as an offense-free joke really is appaulnig...

To sum up: Make black jokes if yu want, but that makes you racist. Make sexist jokes if you want, but that makes you sexist. Even make disability jokes, but that makes you a eugenicist and a synonym for that is a Nazi. So, go ahead and make the joke, but carry the label that that joke implies with you. I'll wait for you at the gas chambers...




I have never read so much 'chip on the shoulder' nonsense in my life Mark.

If you really can't see the 'jibe at a friend' joke that it was bud, then you need to lighten up Mark.

If a black bloke calls another black bloke a '!@#$', does that make him racist too? Or, perhaps he's just having a jibe at a good friend of his?

If a blind friend of yours calls you 'blind as a bat', is he being insulting to you? Or, perhaps he's just having a jibe at a good friend too?

Or, are you telling the whole world that you can't poke fun at friends anymore, unless you're disabled in some way?!

What a load of politically correct nonsense Mark.

Did you know that the majority of Jewish jokes were written by Jews? Maybe you should take a leaf out of their book and have a laugh eh?

I have had it up to HERE (imagine something really big!) with political incorrectness in general, never mind on here too!!

Now, let's talk about the original joke that Jay posted:

In the joke (and it was a joke), he stated a fact (not an insult), that blind people can't see. Are you trying to tell us that that is somehow incorrect?

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